ODUCHU是一支来自俄罗斯图瓦共和国的双人音乐组合，由主唱 Mengi 和吉他手 Chingis 组成。ODUCHU 在图瓦语中意为“治愈者”，正如他们的名字所表达的那样，乐队以纯净而深情的声音、现代与传统融合的编曲，为听众带来直抵心灵的疗愈体验——近期他们发布了新作《Nostalgia》（图瓦乡愁），并随之开启了新一轮的中国巡演，UPEE 有幸邀请这支充满特色的二人组进行一期专访，成员 Chingis 回复了我们的问题，分享了关于新专辑的创作与巡演的感受。
UPEE：关于新专辑《Nostalgia》，我们能感受到编曲中突出的流行乐制作美学。像《My Way》和《Kezer Mergen》这样的歌曲甚至带有令人振奋的流行摇滚律动。能否分享一下你们在制作过程中为何选择采用这种“流行化”手法？
ODUCHU：是的，我们经常在制作中加入流行元素。这不仅仅局限于流行风格。我们不把自己限制在特定的音乐类型中，因为它们会带来束缚。我们根据自己的感受创作音乐，做我们喜欢的事。所有的编曲都源于我们在即兴创作中形成的基础原声音乐。如果一首歌需要流行元素，我们就直接加入。我们为普罗大众创作音乐，他们可能甚至不熟悉图瓦喉唱这样的艺术形式，因此我们特别注重音乐性。为了实现这一点，我们在和声、结构和各种形式上做了大量丰富工作。我们希望图瓦传统音乐能被任何听众理解和接受。为此，我们采用这样的方法："哇，这真是新颖独特的东西，同时又如此熟悉"。对我们来说，喉唱（呼麦）是我们音乐中的秘制酱料，而非基础。我们的工作方式有点不同。对我们来说，音乐永远是第一位的，而任何音乐类型都只是为我们的音乐增添特定风味的调料。
Yes, we often incorporate pop elements in our production. And this isn't limited to pop genres. We don't confine ourselves to specific genres because they impose restrictions. We create music based on our feelings, doing what we like. All arrangements are dictated by our foundational acoustic base, which emerges during improvisations. If a song calls for pop elements, we simply go for it. We compose for ordinary people who may not even be familiar with something like Tuvan throat singing, and we focus precisely on musicality. To achieve this, we work extensively on enriching harmonies, structures, and various forms. We want Tuvan traditional music to be understandable and accessible to any listener. For this, we use the method: "Wow, this is something truly new and unique, yet so familiar at the same time." In our case, throat singing (khoomei) is the secret sauce in our music, not the foundation. We operate a bit differently. For us, music always comes first, and any genres are just spices that give our music a particular flavor.
UPEE：平衡融入更易理解的音乐元素与保留民族音乐根基，被许多同类风格的创作者视为关键。你们在创作过程中如何实现这种平衡？你认为ODUCHU音乐中的民族特性在哪些方面体现得最为突出？
ODUCHU：我一直觉得，不是我们寻找音乐，而是音乐找到了我们。它在当下时刻诞生。我们不会刻意坐下来创作它。即兴创作是我们的力量所在。关键要素是我们的原声基础——吉他、传统乐器、人声和图瓦喉唱。我们首先精心打磨原声编曲，确保即使没有制作加工也能听起来很棒。我们还会举办不依赖电子设备或现代技术的原声音乐会。只有当我们的基础扎实后，才会逐步且非常谨慎地加入现代元素，如节拍、合成器和采样。
传统音乐非常脆弱，很容易被破坏。例如，一个糟糕的编曲就可能轻易毁掉它的独特性和真实性。
我们的民族特性体现在我们几个世纪以来创造的传统歌曲和音乐传统中。我们深刻了解、理解并感受它们，并极其谨慎地对待它们。因此我们在编曲上如此细致，以保护这些传统。我们不是隐藏它们，而是提升它们，努力使它们更加丰富和生动。
I like to say that we don't find music; it finds us. It's born in the present moment. We don't deliberately sit down and compose it. Improvisation is our strength. The key element is our acoustic foundation—guitar, traditional instruments, vocals, and Tuvan throat singing. We meticulously work on acoustic arrangements first, ensuring they sound excellent even without production. We also perform acoustic concerts without electronics or modern technology. Only after our foundation becomes solid do we gradually and very carefully add modern elements like beats, synthesizers, and samples.
Traditional music is very fragile. It's easy to ruin. For example, a tasteless arrangement can easily destroy its uniqueness and authenticity.
Our ethnic identity lies in our traditional songs and musical traditions that have been created over centuries. We know, understand, and feel them deeply and treat them with great care. That's why we work so meticulously on arrangements to preserve these traditions. We don't hide them; instead, we enhance them, striving to make them richer and more vibrant.
UPEE：与之前两张专辑《The Healer》和《Road to Home》相比，《Nostalgia》在音乐层面上的"差异"是否源自你们生活经历的变化？你们希望通过《Nostalgia》向听众传递什么信息？
ODUCHU：是的，确实如此。这张专辑与我们的生活经历相关。我们已经远离家乡生活了两年，当然非常想念家乡。这种高尚的思念之情激励我们创作了专辑《Nostalgia》。
这张专辑不仅仅是音乐。它是转化为声音的光明悲伤：对故土风景的思念、亲人的温暖，以及无论身在何处都伴随着我们的独特文化密码。
这些歌曲讲述那些离开但仍心怀对故土热爱之人的故事。它们诉说着知道自己来自何方、哪些传统塑造了你的道路的重要性。无论身在何处，你都是家乡的一部分。《Nostalgia》是一个既深刻个人又普遍适用的故事，讲述记住的意义——记住家乡风的气息、亲人的声音、家上空云的形状。
这张专辑最大的力量在于它的真诚。我们不只是歌唱怀旧之情；我们让你切身感受到它。
这张专辑献给那些：
·虽已离开故土，却依然与之心有所牵的人
·在全球化世界中寻找自我但希望保持独特性的人
·相信对家的记忆不是负担而是翅膀的人。
Yes, that's true. This album is connected to our life experiences. We've been living far from home for two years now and, of course, miss home deeply. This feeling of noble longing inspired us to create the album "Nostalgia."
This release is more than just music. It's a luminous sadness transformed into sound: longing for native landscapes, the warmth of loved ones, and the unique cultural code that stays with us no matter where we are.
These songs tell the stories of those who have left but continue to carry love for their homeland. They speak of the importance of knowing where you come from and what traditions shape your path. Wherever you are, you're a part of your home. Nostalgia is a deeply personal yet universal tale about what it means to remember—to remember the scent of the native wind, the voices of loved ones, the shape of clouds over home.
The album's greatest strength lies in its sincerity. We don't just sing about nostalgia; we make you feel it physically.
This album is for those who:
·Have left but feel a connection to their homeland
·Are searching for themselves in a globalized world but want to preserve their uniqueness
·Believe that memories of home are not a burden but wings.
UPEE：此外，《Nostalgia》听起来更加动感多样。例如《LEGACY》有着宏大丰富的管弦乐编曲，而《Tuvan Vibes》展示了多层次的吉他演奏。能否分享一些制作这张专辑过程中发生的有趣轶事或经历？
ODUCHU：由于我们住在不同城市，大部分工作都是远程完成的。我曾经认为这不可能，但事实证明只要有强烈的意愿，一切皆有可能。
Mengi专门为此建立了家庭录音室，并快速学会了录音。这样我们完成了一半专辑的录制。要么是Mengi构思主题发给我完善，要么是我发给他样曲，他再传回他的部分。当然，这也有挑战。我们无法像现场即兴时那样感受彼此。所以10个月后，他飞到圣彼得堡找我，我们一起完成了专辑。
有些歌曲我们已经现场表演很久了，所以更新它们更容易。
歌曲以不同方式诞生。例如《Is She Alone》只用了两小时就写完。其他歌曲则耗时更久——一年或更长时间。
我们在圣彼得堡两个很棒的录音室录制了专辑。这个录音室有很多话筒让我们选择，或我们干脆全都用上，来找寻最完美的录音方案。我们对录音非常认真。能与新的伙伴合作很棒，因为通常都是我在做所有录音工作。
录完后，我整理好材料发给我们在彼尔姆的后期工程师Misha Oshkanov进行混音和母带处理。我们是同学，并一起在ODUCHU的项目上耕耘了很长时间。Misha将所有内容打磨至完美，并在编曲中加入了他的专业见解。
最后，我们终于对成果完全满意了。
Since we live in different cities, we mostly worked remotely. I used to think this was impossible, but it turns out that with strong determination, anything is achievable.
Mengi specifically set up a home recording studio for this purpose and quickly learned how to record himself. This way, we recorded half the album. Either Mengi would come up with themes and send them to me for refinement, or I would send him demo material, and he'd send me his parts. Of course, this had its challenges. We couldn't feel each other as we do during live improvisations. So after 10 months, he flew to me in St. Petersburg, and we finished the album together.
Some songs we've been performing live for a long time, so updating them was easier.
The songs came to life in different ways. For example, the song "Is She Alone" was written in just two hours. Other songs took much longer—a year or more.
We recorded the album in two excellent studios in St. Petersburg. We could choose from several microphones or record with all of them to find that perfect sound. We took the recording process very seriously. It was great to work with new people since I'm usually the one doing all the recording.
After recording, I prepared the material and sent it to our sound producer, Misha Oshkanov, in Perm for mixing and mastering. We studied together and have been working on ODUCHU and other projects for several years. Misha polished everything to perfection and added his professional vision to the arrangements.
We're finally completely satisfied with the result.
UPEE：你们愿意分享一下这张专辑中你们最喜欢或最满意的曲目吗？
ODUCHU：要知道，我们爱每一首歌。每首都有重要的故事，所以他们都同等重要。我们在每首歌中都倾注了灵魂，一部分自我，所以很难选择。艺术应当唤起情感和回忆，所有歌曲都承载着不同情境下的各种情感。但就我个人而言，《Is She Alone》和《Nostalgia》在我心中留下了深刻的印记。
You know, we love every song. Each has its own important story. They're all equally significant. We've poured our souls into every song, a part of ourselves. So it's hard to choose. Art should evoke emotions and memories. All the songs carry different emotions for all occasions. But personally, I can say that "Is She Alone" and "Nostalgia" have left a profound mark on my heart.
UPEE：我们能感受到《Nostalgia》中许多曲目非常适合现场表演。《Tuvan Vibes》有着振奋人心、富有感染力的能量，非常适合观众互动，而《Dugay Guys》似乎能让人随着音乐起舞。你如何描述ODUCHU的现场音乐表演？你们已经完成了巡演的几站演出。有什么难忘的时刻或经历在你们脑海中特别突出吗？
ODUCHU：是的，现场演出完全是另一回事。虽然我们这个项目最初是作为录音室作品创建的，但我们热爱现场表演。因为正是在音乐会上，我们音乐真正的能量和氛围才能鲜活呈现。
战马时代为我们在中国举办的首次巡演《致群山中的她》非常成功，在我们心中留下了不可磨灭的印记。
人们专程从其他城市和省份赶来参加我们的音乐会，长途跋涉来现场体验我们的音乐。我们被深深感动了！
在北京，能量爆棚。人们太美了！他们穿着民族服装前来。和我们一起唱歌、跳舞、跳跃和喊叫。太有趣了！最有趣的是结束时全场观众和我们一起用图瓦语唱《Kongurei》，而全世界大概只有30万人懂图瓦语。简直太棒了！我们惊喜不已。正是这样的时刻激励我们继续前进，创作更多新音乐！
在上海，观众更为正式。没人跳跃或喊叫。人们来聆听音乐。这也很酷。要知道，可以用不同方式欣赏我们的音乐。你可以跳跃舞蹈，也可以深思熟虑地聆听，看到意象并思考人生。这是非常好的体验。
在成都，一切也很棒。我们在那里受到热烈欢迎。人们跳舞、跟唱，甚至哭泣...
从舞台上，我注意到前排一位女士不知为何在哭。音乐会后，她过来向我们讲述了她的故事。
她有位朋友听我们的音乐，非常想参加音乐会。但他没能等到我们演出。他去了另一个世界。这位女士来听我们的音乐会是为了纪念他。她含泪告诉我们他多么想来（参加音乐会）。但他没能实现，也永远无法实现了。她替他来了。女士感谢我们的音乐会和音乐，并祝愿我们取得成功。
这是一个悲伤的故事...我们对她的失去表示哀悼，希望一切都会好起来。
我们的音乐会上会发生不同的故事。有人找到爱情，有人求婚。有人欢喜，有人悲伤。这就是生活。我们的音乐会上有很多生活。所以来参加我们的音乐会感受生活吧。
Yes, concerts are a whole other story. Although our project was initially created as a studio endeavor, we love performing live. Because it's during concerts that the true energy and atmosphere of our music come to life.
Our first tour in China was a success and left an indelible mark on our hearts.
People traveled specially to our concerts from other cities and provinces, making long journeys to experience our music live. We were deeply moved by this!
In Beijing, the energy was insane. The people were so beautiful! They came in their national attire. They sang, danced, jumped, and shouted along with us. It was incredibly fun! And the most interesting part was when the entire venue sang our song "Kongurei" in Tuvan with us at the end—a language known by only about 300,000 people worldwide. It was simply wow! We were pleasantly shocked. And it's moments like these that inspire us to keep going, to write more and more new music!
In Shanghai, the audience was more formal. No one jumped or shouted here. People came to listen to the music. And that was also very cool. You know, our music can be enjoyed in different ways. You can jump and dance, or you can listen thoughtfully, see images, and reflect on life. It was a very good experience.
In Chengdu, everything was also great. We were warmly received there. People danced, sang along, and even cried...
From the stage, I noticed a woman in the front rows crying for some reason. After the concert, she came up to us and shared her story.
She had a friend who listened to our music and really wanted to attend a concert. But he never got to see us perform. He passed on to another world. And the woman came to our concert to honor his memory and listen to us. In tears, she told us how much he had wanted to be there (at the concert). But he couldn't make it and never would. She came in his place. The woman thanked us for the concert and the music and wished us continued success.
A sad story... We express our condolences for her loss and hope that everything will be okay.
Different stories happen at our concerts. Some find love, some propose marriage. Some rejoice, some grieve. That's life. And there's a lot of life at our concerts. So come to our concerts to feel Life.